Talk:Potential Logos

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Some guidelines

  • Make sure the image is transparent rather than has a white background
  • Make sure it is the right size, it should be a maximum of XX (W) by XX (H) pixels (to fill in when someone looks it up)
  • Add "?action=purge" to your wiki url so that the logo image is reloaded explicitly
  • Eventually we will want to produce an SVG version of the image
    • I've uploaded a new logo from the SVG file that I created today. You can see the SVG file here. -- Mauricio 21:45, 6 January 2006 (EST)
    • Mauricio, I could view the SVG in Firefox 1.5. I noticed in the SVG source there was an embedded 256x256 JPEG image - do you know what this is? Perhaps a thumbnail? -- Torsten 23:45, 6 January 2006 (EST)
    • Yes, it seems like Adobe Illustrator embeds the XML of a thumbnail into the SVG for previewing purposes. -- Mauricio 17:56, 7 January 2006 (EST)
    • Here is a favicon generated from the SVG file. -- Mauricio 14:53, 8 January 2006 (EST)

Testing them out

Okay, this may be insecure, but you can replace the logo without logging into the server by updating the following image BioPerlLogo.png --jason stajich 14:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)


I think #1 is most preferred, but we should get more graphically talented people involved.

I think the reverse oval on the "Perl" part attracts your eye to it, to the detriment of the "Bio" part? -- Tseemann 01:11, 23 December 2005 (EST)

Brian, I like #12 and #13. In #13 is it possible to make the "P" overlapped by both circles? Perhaps by aking them mor oval? I guess I am thinking of X--X--X type symmetry. --Tseemann 01:11, 23 December 2005 (EST)

Mauricio - I like your logos. I think the graphic is very elegant. I wonder if it would look better if it were bolder, to match the font boldness? -- Tseemann 04:23, 31 December 2005 (EST)

Torsten - Thanks for the nice suggestion. It really looks better and emphasizes the "Bio" part. -- Mauricio 12:24, 31 December 2005 (EST)

Mauricio, I like the bolder logo. We might have to add a question to the FAQ though: "What does that Japanese/Chinese symbol next to BioPerl mean?" :-) -- Tseemann 18:30, 31 December 2005 (EST)

Great Torsten! I hope to get more feedback about them soon (maybe even with the FAQ answer too: "You'll see, Mauricio had this strange dream..." :P ) -- Mauricio 16:28, 1 January 2006 (EST)

So far, I believe that #14 & #15 have been my best attempts. A graphically-talented friend told me that #15 could be the best choice, since it has the main graphic idea on top and the text supporting it below. "Nice and stable" she said... More feedback please! -- Mauricio 14:01, 3 January 2006 (EST)


Mauricio, try playing with transparency. In most cases the the image that floats above the grey background is going to look better than the image that sits in the white rectangle. I wasn't able to make all of my images fully transparent, not sure why... BIO 14:23, 3 January 2006 (EST)

My latest thoughts

  • I think Mauricio's #17 and #19 are the cleanest, most elegant ones.
  • They still look good (and are readable) when converted to greyscale/monochrome (eg. for laser printing docs).
  • The helix logo can be used as a motif on its own (eg. enlarged, made dim grey, as a light background etc).
  • The helix logo can be used as URL bar favicon.ico for the web site too.
  • I also think the "master" logo file MUST be in a scalable format such as SVG - it can then be generated at various resolutions as required. I expect all browsers by the end of this year will be able to render embedded SVG graphics (Firefox 1.5 does?).

-- Torsten 18:03, 3 January 2006 (EST)

My answers

  • I've erased the useless versions from the Logo's page and left published only 3.
  • Added transparency to all of them.
  • Resized all of them into 150 pixel-wide images.
  • I wanted to delete the unnecessary image files, but I have a problem with my user level. Can anyone with "sysop" capability delete them?
  • I've replaced the Wiki logo with the design I like the most. Please tell me what you think.

-- Mauricio 23:09, 3 January 2006 (EST)

More stuff

Oh right - sorry making you a sysop - I think you've shown you know what you're doing! Try now. So I also like this one - of course we are fully embracing a DNA-centric world here, but I don't think is bad. Just make sure we aren't drawing left handed DNA. I'm thinking I would like to get some feedback from the community too. I think we are nearly ready to launch the site anyways so we can also point people to the logo page. Do you think you can eventually make an SVG too or will that be too hard? We'll also make favicons of whatever logo is chosen so we can have nifty branding. -- jason stajich 23:28, 3 January 2006 (EST)

  • Thanks for the confidence and the sysop bit ;)
  • I'm sure the helix is right-handed, I drawed the right strand on top of the left one.
  • I would like community feedback too.
  • Yeah, I think I can handle the creation of a SVG version. Favicon is no problem.

-- Mauricio 02:16, 4 January 2006 (EST)

Just Torsten again...

  • I just realised I hadn't suggested the helix logo be between the "Bio" and the "Perl" - any thoughts?
  • Yes, someone needs to check the handed-ness of the helix, I recall the logo designer my current employer hired made the same mistake the first time, I think it is ok ?

-- Torsten 00:16, 4 January 2006 (EST)

  • I can create one. Bold helix or crosshatched?
  • The logo for the consortium looks OK to me.

-- Mauricio 02:18, 4 January 2006 (EST)

logo feedback

  • I would like to see the current logo withe BioPerl font smaller, maybe 1/3 as big and perhaps a sans-serif font as well, can you maybe mock up a few of those when you have time? One other idea would be to have the Bio and Perl coming in at the middle (so at the center of logo) with the double helix separating them. --jason stajich 19:26, 6 February 2006 (EST)
  • Maybe I can get some time tomorrow to play with those ideas. Do you have any particular font in mind? -- Mauricio 19:46, 6 February 2006 (EST)
  • Hmm font guru I am not, but give Arial, Geneva, Lucida Sans, and Gill Sans a try (not sure if you are on windows or mac in terms of font selection you have) - if you want to just stack them on top an not submit a bunch of images that is fine too.
    • In terms of font size, mostly I'd like the logo to not be so wide and appear a little more subtle. -jason stajich 10:34, 7 February 2006 (EST)
  • Mauricio, another thing to consider is more vivid color in the lettering, the dark green and grey blue are very similar to each other and look a little dull against the predominantly grey page currently used in the Wiki. I'm also guessing that anyone with color blindness (and some 10% of men have color blindness to some degree) would not be able to tell the Bio and the Perl apart.
  • OK, I'm taking note on everything. I haven't got time as I expected :(. I'm out of town now, so I hope to be tweaking this during the next week. -- Mauricio 02:05, 11 February 2006 (EST)

New versions

  • I deleted some of my previous attempts to reuse space. There are changes as Jason suggested. Brian talked about more vivid colors. I left the blue untouched and put a lighter green in the Bio part (similar to Onagar's proposal but web-safe). Please let me know what you think. -- Mauricio 15:08, 8 March 2006 (EST)
  • I really like the new version (#20), esp. the enhanced emphasis of 'Bio' and 'Perl.' I like the classic look of the font as well over the others (Arial, etc). Very nice! --Chris Fields 20:22, 8 March 2006 (EST)
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